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Sep. 29th, 2004

Well, it looks like our Winter Finding is going to be on the 17th, which is cool. We're almost certain to be holding it indoors--then again, there's a fair chance of that happening even when we hold it nearer the equinox. Early snows and all that. Go Skadhi :).

I'm thinking of rereading Ginette Paris' Pagan Grace. Maybe because it's lighter reading than I've been doing, but it isn't, really--just an easier read.

I tried a new cookie recipe today, chocolate-chocolate chip, which I'm not altogether happy with--the cookies are nice and chewy but the flavor is a little...watered-down comes to mind although I'm not sure that's a reasonable thing to say of cookies. However, they are awesome with a little peanut butter. And I'm thinking that they'd be pretty good made into whoopie pies (with cream in the middle). So, not a total failure.

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kyrene
Sep. 29th, 2004 10:27 am (UTC)
mm chocolate
hearthstone
Sep. 29th, 2004 04:59 pm (UTC)
Yeah, they're not bad. I had been going to make the Evil Cookies but didn't have the ingredients, so made these instead.
kyrene
Sep. 29th, 2004 05:51 pm (UTC)
chocolate goooood
whitecrow0
Sep. 29th, 2004 04:19 pm (UTC)
How freaky. I just tried to find Pagan Grace and Border's told me the only copy they could order was used and $44.00.
hearthstone
Sep. 29th, 2004 05:01 pm (UTC)
Ouch--I got it a few years back but I know I didn't pay that much used. Try www.bibliofind.com, you might have better luck finding one online.
whitecrow0
Sep. 30th, 2004 03:55 am (UTC)
I think they were using Bibliofind, but it appears Amazon might have sellers who are letting it go for less.
I was just hoping to apply my Border's gift certificate to it.
hearthstone
Sep. 30th, 2004 05:47 am (UTC)
D'oh! My bad, I meant www.bookfinder.com. Not that that's going to be any more helpful to you :(.
zoe_bat
Oct. 5th, 2004 12:02 am (UTC)

How is the Hermes section in the book? I leafed through the Dionysus section and I felt like we didn't know the same guy. In general I love her books so I need to pick it up again.
hearthstone
Oct. 5th, 2004 05:33 pm (UTC)
Well, I first read it 4 or 5 years ago and haven't gotten much further than the introduction this time around (and I left it in Dan's car to boot! :)) but as I recall I liked it--then again, I was fairly new to Hellenism at the time so perhaps I was not as critical as I might be today.
zoe_bat
Oct. 5th, 2004 05:54 pm (UTC)

I really take her stuff as "inspirational sermons of person gnosis and insight". It seems to click with me in general, but.... yeah. Sometimes she gets my "recon" hackles up.

But Drew Campbell? He had big issues with her. No surprise he went Anglican... imho
hearthstone
Oct. 5th, 2004 06:35 pm (UTC)
That's my feeling as well--the poetry rather than the fact. I categorize her with Calasso--as you say, inspirational but not something to base practice on.

weofodthignen
Oct. 10th, 2004 12:32 am (UTC)
You mean you don't blót outdoors in the snow? Shame on you :-)

Seen the remarks on the Fates and the Norns and on the Greek view of time in Steve's recent posts on Heathenthing? Got anything to say?

M
hearthstone
Oct. 10th, 2004 05:34 pm (UTC)
Heh, no, no snow blots for me (other than the VERY SHORT weekly ones Dan and I do from the porch! :)).

You know, I'm not sure that the Hellenic recon has determined a particular view of time--which might be because there isn't a radically different alternate interpretation as there is in heathenry. I mean, I think it's likely that the differences in worldview between modern and ancient could have included the nature of time, but no one (that I'm aware of) has yet put forth the idea that you have to have a particular view of time to be thinking like a Hellene. (BTW, I liked your commentary on Bauschatz.)

I think, though, that there is a tendency among some heathens to separate themselves (and the heathen worldview) from others, including classical ones. Often I've heard it said rather contemptuously that the Norns are not the Fates--no argument there, but I don't think the Greek notion of fate was all that deterministic either. Zeus has no sway over the Fates, but neither has Odin over the Norns. And Achilles, explicitly, had a choice--one path would take him to a quick death and lasting fame, the other to a long life but far less renown, and we all know which he chose.
weofodthignen
Oct. 10th, 2004 11:05 pm (UTC)
Glad you liked my critique of Bauschatz--it seems to have been too dry for most folks :-)

I agree, many heathens have a lot invested in distinguishing heathenry from Classical. I do myself in terms of avoiding unnecessary recourse to words like "gnosis." But I have yet to see heathens who do this with respect to religious issues distinguishing Roman from Hellenic. Do you think the ancient Greek view of time was as progressivist as the standard modern one? Wasn't there sorrow for a lost golden age? Is it possible that the modern view of linear time is closer to Roman than Hellenic? Please post in response to one of the "time" entries if you have any thoughts :-)

Regarding the norns and the fates, I hope you will post just what you say here--I have very little knowledge of the Hellenic view and it was an interesting question redsonja originally tossed out--that, and I think many of the guys making sweeping statements about fate and the Germanic worldview would be interested in comparing lore regarding heroes, gods, and fatal ladies.

--and thanks for posting anyhow, I know you've been busy.

M
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